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Haberdasher’s Aske’s Hatcham School for Boys (1955-62) – the Music Room (page 1)

Haberdashers’ Aske’s Boy School – The Music Room was converted from a World War II bomb proof First-Aid and Poison Gas Clearance Station

I listened to the Proms concert last night 20th August 2016.

Valery Gergiev conducted the Munich Philharmonic in Ravel’s Bolero and Anthony John Sargeant was transported back 60 years. It was a ‘Proustien’ Music Moment.

It is 1956 and I am twelve years old. There was no serious music in our home, although my Mother could play the piano and used to buy sheet music of popular songs when I was younger. We even had an upright piano which was bought from Jones and Higgins Department Store in Peckham. Also my parents had just bought our first 3-speed record-player 78, 45, and 33 rpm records. The sort that had an auto-changer so that you could stack 7 or 8 records above the turntable. When the first record finished playing and the pick-up had moved out of the way the next record in the stack would be released and in the case of heavy 78rpm records it would come crashing down on to the turntable and whole record-player and the cabinet on which it stood would shake

But with no serious music at home the ‘Proustien Music Moment’ came at my grammar school Haberdashers’ Aske’s Boys School. The school had a strong musical tradition created by the single full-time music teacher Mr (Archie) Smith and his predecessors. There was a full scale School Orchestra(supplemented with a few instrument playing members of staff). A Steinway Concert Grand piano, a gift from the Haberdashers’ Company, stood in the main hall and was played everyday for Morning assembly. A separate brass band (from which I developed a taste for Sousa marches). There was also a large School Choir which together with the Orchestra performed The Messiah in my first year, and Elijah in my second: for which choral works in a boys’ school our pre-pubertal soprano voices were conscripted – there was no question of ‘joining the choir’ we were simply required to take part. Almost every lesson in the run up to the performance was dedicated to rehearsing small boys for the chorus. But after the public performances we were the beneficiaries of more relaxed music lessons.

I should now explain that the music ‘rooms’ were separate from, and just below, the main school buildings presumably this had the advantage that other classes were not disturbed by the music making nor by the frequent beating of small boys’ bottoms by Mr Smith for any misdemeanor. It should be pointed out that this was the 1950s when corporal punishment was commonplace in many schools and probably most homes. At Aske’s most teachers used corporal punishment for such things as failure to do homework or talking in class. It went unrecorded, unremarked and was unexceptional – just part of school life. Each teacher had favoured techniques and implements for these informal classroom punishments but mostly it took the form of a plimsoll whacked across a boy’s grey trousered bottom at the front of the class. In contrast formal canings, which were recorded in the Education Authority’s official punishment book, were relatively rare and only administered for the most serious offences. Mr Smith’s ‘informal’ technique was particularly distinctive – the boy would stand facing him to be bent forward and his head gripped between Archie’s knees then taking hold of the waistband of the miscreants trousers he would pull the boy up onto his toes stretching his trousers over his bottom before administering however many whacks he thought appropriate with a flat piece of wood. It was, having witnessed it on many occasions but never having suffered it, a punishment to be avoided.

But back to the music rooms. The two linked rooms were part of a bomb proof First-Aid Station and Gas Clearance Station built just before the Second World War. At that time there was a genuine concern that the Germans might use poison gas when bombing civilian areas. The structure was built in the lower part of the school grounds and the whole structure was half buried in the slope of Telegraph Hill on top of which Aske’s School sat surrounded by dense Victorian Housing (see figures 1 and 2).

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17 thoughts on “Haberdasher’s Aske’s Hatcham School for Boys (1955-62) – the Music Room (page 1)

  1. Keith Chenery says:

    It has been a real joy to read your reminiscences about Aske’s. I was there between 1964-69 and your descriptions of Archie Smith have brought so many memories flooding back. I had quite forgotten about Mr. Smith’s strange method of delivering punishment, but as I remember the “piece of wood” was one of those small tables that are usually attached to the arm of a stacking-chair. It hurt.
    My clearest memory of his classes was when – as a “weed” – he had the whole class singing the “Te Deum” in Latin. I never did quite understand what it was all about having never had much exposure to classical music, but we had great fun changing the words – “et in terra pax hominibus” became “Ed and Sarah packed in a minibus.” I also remember him straining his voice into a treble falsetto in order to demonstrate how it should be sung.
    Sadly, I never studied an instrument, although I did start playing the guitar at fourteen and was hell bent on being Jimi Hendrix. I don’t think Mr, Smith would have been an appropriate teacher for that style!
    When I think of my time at Aske’s, I fondly remember that I hated every minute of it, but some of the characters and events of those years did leave a lasting impression. Not just on my backside . . . .

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  2. Terry Summers says:

    Hi Tony, that brings back memories. I was there a little while after you, finishing in third year sixth as Hawkins house captain, in early 1965.
    I remember Archie, a very competent joiner, making his violin, and talking at length about the varnish (which involved vinegar).
    Thanks
    Much appreciated.
    Terry

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    • Thanks Terry for the comment – Archie Smith was a remarkable person in many respects (his son went to Aske’s which must have been a particular burden for the poor lad) – But Archie Smith did an enormous amount – he built all those seating banks in the music room, built the Hi-Fi system (in the days before commercial systems became available – around 1955-6 ish) was an enthusiast for modern art (I remember him bringing a reproduction of a Picasso and discussing it during one lesson) then the school orchestra, mounting full scale performances of the Messiah and Elijah and all that involved – as well as making his own violin.

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  3. John Pritchard says:

    Archie was there to teach my father in the thirties and me in the fifties and sixties. He has received mention in my autobiography The Death of Any Dinner Party currently under construction.

    John Pritchard 1957-1965

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    • Was Archie Smith teaching at the school before the war? I know he started off teaching woodwork before taking over the music department.
      I think I do remember your name though difficult to put a face to it – you were 2 years below me – possibly in Mr (Jock) Gordon’s class? You will appear in my 1961 panoramic school photo I imagine ?

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  4. Christopher Reeves says:

    I really enjoyed reading your reminiscences. Sometimes in his eagerness to submit a fair punishment, (from his point of view), Archie Smith would make a basic mistake regarding the laws of physics. Most times he would use a flat piece of wood, which hurt, but did not leave any remaining mark on the flesh. However sometimes he made the mistake to use a round piece of wood from the room furniture. This hurt about the same, but left a nasty black bruise that went slowly away after about 7 to 10 days. I indeed experienced both versions of this punishment. As the lead first violinist of the second chamber music grioup, I have many memories not only of Archie Smith, but also of Mr Cave (the wind instrument tutor) and Mrs Kennedy (my violin tutor). I attended Askes Grammar School from 1960 to 1967. Best wishes, Christopher Reeves.

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    • Thank you for your memory of life at Aske’s. We must have overlapped by just a few years (I was there until 1962).
      I have one of those panoramic school photos taken in July 1961 – so you are probably there sitting cross legged in the front row.
      I also remember Mr Cave, and it must have been through him that the Military/Brass band was created. One of my close friends was Alan Vincent (who went to Clare College Cambridge). He was a french horn player in that band and in the full scale school orchestra and a member of the London Schools Symphony Orchestra. Exceptionally LSSO members were allowed to wear lapel badges on their school blazers (a blue enamel shield with LSSO in the quadrants).
      Archie Smith was a remarkable teacher in many respects – he introduced so many boys to music and also to arts in general – even at the cost of a sore bottom on occasions! I managed to avoid his wrath though I did like very many other boys earn an occasional dose of the slipper from Bill Kerridge who taught me Maths throughout the school. He was a popular and effective teacher and the slipperings were never too severe (no bruises like your experience with Mr Smith), also from Arthur Grant on a couple of occasions, and from Dennis Brooklands who once gave me 6 of the best with a plimsoll on the bare bottom after Physics Class (must have been in the 4th year) for failing to do homework for the 2nd week running.

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      • Christopher Reeves says:

        Hi Tony,
        Do not forget Mr Poston woth his cane on the hand. That really hurt.
        Yes the Maths lessons with Bill Kerridge were ridgidly under the control of his slipper which he always carried on the top in his chalk box.
        Can you remember the annual prize day giving where the Lord Mayor of London was normally present. Do you remember Yug Carter with his converted Triumph T110 Motorcyvle, doing the very loud racing standing start outside the school ar exactly 16.01 pm every day. Many good memories. Good to have contact with you.

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      • I think Mr Poston came towards the end of my time at Aske’s. He was an Old Askean himself I think – a bit of a dandy – A slight neat young man who wore a bow-tie? I went on a ramble through Westerham with the School’s Natural History Society one summer weekend that he came along to.
        I was never taught by him so escaped the hand canings – that was an unusual punishment for the time (must have hurt a lot?) since if the masters did use corporal punishment for misbehaviour and most did in my day – it was mostly applied to a boy’s trousered bottom while touching toes and most usually with a plimsoll though as we noted there were exceptions – Mr Smith being one. The other in my own case being when I was in the 4th Form (I think) and Mr Brooklands had me stay behind after a lesson and made me drop my trousers and underpants for a slippering on my bare bottom in the physics lab for failing (yet again!) to hand homework in on time.

        Yes of course – Annual Prize Day was quite an event and performance – with the Lord Mayor in full regalia, often the Master of the Haberdashers Company and some colleagues in their fur robes, and then the staff in academic gowns – which many wore routinely for lessons – but without the hoods or mortar boards which were only worn for special occasions. Always a source of comment by the boys (Fur lined hoods from Durham University (Mr Daykin) were especially admired.

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      • Christopher Reeves says:

        Dear Tony,. Just a short story about Mr Poston. He got married at the Church near the road at the top of Eltham High Street. The Cresent I think. The wedding reception was at The Well Hall Pleasants. David Skinner, Frank Dixon and myself were asked to provide a motorcycle escort for the wedding cars on our road racing style motorbikes, which we willingly did. We were rewarded with a piece of the wedding cake at the wedding reception. I think Mr Cluely originally shaked in fear at this evolutionary phase of the high powered motorcycles lined up outside the school near the round- about. However, after the great success of beating the Lord Major of London Rolls Royce up Journingham Hill to the school presentation guard of honour on the day of the prize giving, he became much more receptive to the idea. One sees today how Motorsport including F1 and MotoGP have developed in to important international businesses and industries.

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    • David Skinner says:

      Chris, Dave Skinner here – been looking you up on google to try and trace you. Are you ok? where are you – i think i recall you going to Germany. My email is mvf4312r@gmail.com. Look forward to hearing from you,

      David (I’m also in touch with Dave Owen.

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  5. Ian McIntyre says:

    I believe Archie Smith started at the school on the day war started in 1939. When he retired the boys gave him a gluepot to use in his retirement hobby of violin making. He stayed in Westcombe Pk Rd

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  6. Ian McIntyre says:

    Demot Poston was not in my recollection a whaker. He was a potholer I went with him and the Explorers Club to Derbyshire many years ago. He was more likely to put you in detention. Once we were making a lot of noise in Room 5 He was in Room 6 and was annoyed Threatened us with his punishment or Bill Kerridges. Weall 30 or so of us opted for 3 whacks as we were third years We did not want to be kept after school for an hour. Bill was tired after beating us all

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    • I was never taught by Dermot Poston though I did once go on a ramble from school with him in the Kent countryside.
      Bill Kerridge taught me Maths up to O level (with the exception of the short period in 1956 when he was called up to serve in Suez) and he was my form master in the 5th year. Anybody from that period will remember his “Giant Persuader” a well worn size 12 plimsoll.

      In addition I went potholing in Derbyshire with the Explorers Club and Dermot Poston and Arthur Grant (must have been 1961 or 62).
      I remember submerging to go through the sump in Giants Hole(?) to the vast caverns beyond.

      Together with Steve Lee, Mark Baxter, Bert Baker, Bris Currie, Bob Tweddle and others from my year (1955- …) we created the Explorers Club under the guidance of Mr Arthur Grant – that arose out of the 3rd form school journey to the Trossachs and a subsequent 2 week trip to camp in the middle of the Cairngorm Mountains – in those days a private hunting estate with few visitors)

      Does the Explorers Club still exist at the school?

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  7. Christopher Reeves says:

    To John Pritchard
    Dear John, We were actually in the same class. Can you remember our Maths teacher Mr Pringle who in later years became our maths teacher afer Bill Kerridge.

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  8. So many names.
    I recall Archie Smith as a total loopo followed by Cave whom we called Gonk.

    I think the Maths teacher was Priddle not Pringle.

    Bill Kerridge was my House Tutor.

    So many good times.

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    • You must have been at Aske’s about the same time as I was. But not in my year as I recall (1955-62). So Above or Below?
      But Cave was not actually on the staff he was a peripatetic music specialist (wind instruments I think?) My friend Alan Vincent would have been coached by him I think (French Horn) – Alan played in the London schools Symphony Orchestra and went on to Clare College Camb to study music.

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